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2010 Trek Scratch 9 and Remedy 9.9 Launch
by brule
Posted: Nov 2, 2009
Last weekend I had the pleasure of re-visiting Moab, Utah with the crew from Trek Bikes and fellow media from around the world. We were all brought together to experience the all new Scratch 9 and the Remedy 9.9 bikes that Trek has rolled out with for 2010.
Inside you'll find my take on initial impressions of each bike and tons of pics from the beautiful riding in Moab, Utah.
Inside you'll find my take on initial impressions of each bike and tons of pics from the beautiful riding in Moab, Utah.
Getting to Moab was a combination of waking up early, driving in the rain, two flights and a shuttle service from Grand Junction to the Red Cliffs Lodge (20 Miles east of Moab). The crew that arrived the night before us had the pleasure of going on a Hummer 4x4 tour on Slick Rock while we were traveling!
Friday afternoon was spent doing bike set up for the next day's rides. Half would be suiting up and hitting the trails on the all new Scratch 9 (my group), while the other half of the media would be boarding the Remedy 9.9 OCLV for their riding day. We'd all switch it up on day 2 to ride the other bike that we did not on day one. Setting up bikes was done in a very professional manner with several mechanics on hand, as well as Trek's designers to make sure that you got what you needed to make your ride as best as it could be. Fox Suspension was even at the ranch to be sure that everyone was sitting in proper sag and that the forks had correct spring rates - top notch set up. Setting up 40 riders took until dark, at which time it was time to hear a presentation on the new bikes and eat some fine Cowboy grub. Off to bed as my group had a 40km ride on Saturday on the Scratches.
The Whole Enchilada Ride on the 2010 Trek Scratch 9
Breakfast as the sun comes up in Moab, while sitting along the Colorado river is about as good as it gets! Oh wait the crew from Western Spirit Tours was also here and loading up all our bikes to take us up to 9500 feet to the top of Hazard County to ride the Whole Enchilada (38 kms with 5500 feet of descending). See it does get even better!
The weather sure had changed since I was in Moab 4 weeks prior. Check out the difference in looks from then to now:
The Whole Enchilada is a long bumpy trail but is loved by most that ride it. Having just been to Moab and having already ridden the trail, I knew what to expect from the 38kms that lay in front of me. On Hazard County the ground was covered in snow with slick corners from the tires ahead of me turning it to light mud, but oh this trail is fun - picture single track through the open range, into Aspen trees and then into mid height willows all the while ripping berms, little jumps and a huge smile! Your blood is just getting going and you are warmed up as you finish Hazard and roll into Kokopelli. Smooth double track with little jumps strewn about it and at full tilt, one or two light duty climbs thrown in to keep you honest. The CrankBros. Joplin post was earning its keep already and would do so all day long with all the little climbs that are found on UPS, LPS and Porcupine Rim trails.
Scratch in Action: (pics by Sterling Lorence)
One common trait that is found on most of the trails that link up the Whole Enchilada is square edge hits. These may be the only thing that I find that the Scratch does not handle well, but on the flip side, very few bikes feel "Good" on square edge hits. The sensation of rear wheel hang up or deceleration is what I was experiencing when I'd find myself some of the gnarlier sections of trail on Saturday. At the end of the day I reported my findings back to the techs and it was concluded that I should be running a firmer spring on the rear of the Scratch. To test this theory I will be joining Andrew Shandro on the North Shore this winter to do a set up, ride and report for all you readers here on Pinkbike.com - stay tuned!
Detailed pics of the Scratch 9 and 8, as well as spec info:
170mm of rear wheel travel, ABP (Active Braking Pivot - found on Trek's entire suspension bike's line up), Full Floater, EVO Link and E2 are some of the technological highlights that are found on the new Scratch.
-Scratch - Session Skin, Remedy Soul
-Meets where the Session 88 and the past Remedy came together and does it better.
-ABP, Full Floater, E2 and EVO Link
-142 x 12mm rear wheel or 135 x 12mm with adapters
-66.5 degree HT with a 14.4" BB height or 66 degree HT with a 14.1" BB height via the Mino Link (see video above).
-ISCG 03 chain guide mounts (HammerSchmidt ready!)
-Tapered E2 head tube
-Replaceable rear derailleur hanger
-Color matched SRAM X.0 parts for factory appearance
-Custom tuned rear Fox RC-4 shock
-Scratch 9 MSRP $5979 USD and $6499 CDN
-Scratch 8 Air MSRP $4829 USD and $ 5499 CDN
The Amasa Back Trail on the 2010 Trek Remedy 9.9 OCLV
Sunday morning came a little earlier than I wanted but I was really stoked to throw a leg over the all new Remedy 9.9 OCLV and hit up the Amasa Back trail with the crew from Hermosa Tours, ours guides for today. Once again, having just left Moab 4 weeks prior and having ridden Amasa Back on that trip too, I was so stoked to get rolling on the new Remedy.
Bike set up was easy the night before with only a stem swap and air pressure adjustments needed in the Fox Talas 150mm fork and DRCV rear shock. All I had to do was gear up, throw a leg over and hit the trail.
The Amasa Back Trail is a long gradual climb up onto the plateau where the trail gets faster with a mix of Jeep roads and single track. Lots of ledges, quick ups, little downs and tons of fun! Within minutes of riding the Remedy 9.9, I knew that it was a night and day different bike from its sibling the Scratch. Midway into the ride and I knew that this was the right tool for the job, or should I say trail.
The DRCV (Dual Rate Control Valve) rear shock from Fox seemed to keep the Remedy planted on the climbs and the descents - the bike was so active that I actually had to stop and ask a tech if this was correct as all too often an active bike in one area is rough in another, but not the Remedy. In Trek's own words "this exclusive Trek technology combines the pedaling efficiency of a small canister air shock with the big hit compliance of a larger canister shock." What can I say, it works and it works really well. So well that I wanted to redo Saturday's ride on the the Remedy 9.9 if I'd had the chance in order to really compare the two bikes and the rear shock that just really seemed to have me sticking to the ground and not getting bucked around.
The Remedy in Action: (pics by Craig Glaspell)
Lunch at Hole in the Rock Arch and return via Rock Stacker and Jackson's Trail. The more I rode the Remedy 9.9, the more I felt the bike working with me, from the short burst climbs to the tech little descents. Parts spec comes into play too as the Crankbros. Joplin post is a must for folks that love to get out and ride varied terrain and don't want to be bothered with dismounting for a section or adjusting their post and then remounting their bike. While I rarely adjust the travel on travel adjust forks, I really was liking the lock out control on the Fox TALAS 15QR fork. Pro Pedal is subtle but noticeable on the rear Fox DRCV too, and helped on the longer climbs and last section of gravel road.
Using Trek's own OCLV Carbon for the front triangle was a no brainer, it was figuring out how to make it the strongest possible and resistant to impacts that was of greatest concern. All sorts of impact resistance tests were performed and in the end Trek developed their own Carbon Armor to help protect your bike from rocks that are constantly spat up at the down tube from your front tire.
Below are videos showing Aluminum in a strike test, standard carbon, enhanced carbon and armored carbon. Armored carbon proved to be 25% stronger than standard carbon, as strong as Aluminum Remedy, and more durable than Aluminum Remedy. This armoring is expected to greatly reduce/eliminate the 80% of all warranties that were within 8 inches of the BB on the down tube - great initiative in fixing an issue!
-150mm of matched front and rear travel
-DRCV rear shock (dual rate control valve) - the valve controls when the second chamber comes into play and changes the spring rate - turns very linear from the mid stroke on.
-ABP Race (lighter, faster, narrower - 239mm for ABP and 220mm for ABP Race)
-Mag EVO link
-All new 18.5" sizing - YES! My size!
-OCLV (Optimum Compaction, Low Void) - Patented in 1992 - Multi directional process for each layer for aid strength where it's most needed
-Hand made in the USA, patented, leading edge technology, lifetime warranty, 18 years of carbon experience.
-Carbon Armor
-E2 head tube
-Frame only option (no price as of yet)
-Remedy 9.9 MSRP $6819 USD and $7299 CDN
-Remedy 9.8 MSRP $4399 USD and $4699 CDN
Please visit trekbikes.com to learn more about all their 2010 offerings.
Extra cool things that were seen at the launch:
Custom Vans Warner Shoes:
Trek Ticket:
-E2 head tube
-Adjustable drop outs (SS or geared) - 15.74" to 16.5", 135x10mm thru axle spacing
-ISCG 05 mounts
-Forged yoke and gussets for strength
-Short and Long sizes
All Professional Pictures by Sterling Lorence and Craig Glaspell.
 Rain |  Early |  Quiet |  Flights |
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| Gate to Red Cliffs Lodge |
 Red Cliffs |  Front View |  Back View |  My Room |
Friday afternoon was spent doing bike set up for the next day's rides. Half would be suiting up and hitting the trails on the all new Scratch 9 (my group), while the other half of the media would be boarding the Remedy 9.9 OCLV for their riding day. We'd all switch it up on day 2 to ride the other bike that we did not on day one. Setting up bikes was done in a very professional manner with several mechanics on hand, as well as Trek's designers to make sure that you got what you needed to make your ride as best as it could be. Fox Suspension was even at the ranch to be sure that everyone was sitting in proper sag and that the forks had correct spring rates - top notch set up. Setting up 40 riders took until dark, at which time it was time to hear a presentation on the new bikes and eat some fine Cowboy grub. Off to bed as my group had a 40km ride on Saturday on the Scratches.
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Breakfast as the sun comes up in Moab, while sitting along the Colorado river is about as good as it gets! Oh wait the crew from Western Spirit Tours was also here and loading up all our bikes to take us up to 9500 feet to the top of Hazard County to ride the Whole Enchilada (38 kms with 5500 feet of descending). See it does get even better!
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The weather sure had changed since I was in Moab 4 weeks prior. Check out the difference in looks from then to now:
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The Whole Enchilada is a long bumpy trail but is loved by most that ride it. Having just been to Moab and having already ridden the trail, I knew what to expect from the 38kms that lay in front of me. On Hazard County the ground was covered in snow with slick corners from the tires ahead of me turning it to light mud, but oh this trail is fun - picture single track through the open range, into Aspen trees and then into mid height willows all the while ripping berms, little jumps and a huge smile! Your blood is just getting going and you are warmed up as you finish Hazard and roll into Kokopelli. Smooth double track with little jumps strewn about it and at full tilt, one or two light duty climbs thrown in to keep you honest. The CrankBros. Joplin post was earning its keep already and would do so all day long with all the little climbs that are found on UPS, LPS and Porcupine Rim trails.
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| Travis, Ross, Rene and Andrew |
One common trait that is found on most of the trails that link up the Whole Enchilada is square edge hits. These may be the only thing that I find that the Scratch does not handle well, but on the flip side, very few bikes feel "Good" on square edge hits. The sensation of rear wheel hang up or deceleration is what I was experiencing when I'd find myself some of the gnarlier sections of trail on Saturday. At the end of the day I reported my findings back to the techs and it was concluded that I should be running a firmer spring on the rear of the Scratch. To test this theory I will be joining Andrew Shandro on the North Shore this winter to do a set up, ride and report for all you readers here on Pinkbike.com - stay tuned!
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| Scratch 8 Air |
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170mm of rear wheel travel, ABP (Active Braking Pivot - found on Trek's entire suspension bike's line up), Full Floater, EVO Link and E2 are some of the technological highlights that are found on the new Scratch.
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| 66 or 66.5 degrees |
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| 135x12 with these adapters |
-Meets where the Session 88 and the past Remedy came together and does it better.
-ABP, Full Floater, E2 and EVO Link
-142 x 12mm rear wheel or 135 x 12mm with adapters
-66.5 degree HT with a 14.4" BB height or 66 degree HT with a 14.1" BB height via the Mino Link (see video above).
-ISCG 03 chain guide mounts (HammerSchmidt ready!)
-Tapered E2 head tube
-Replaceable rear derailleur hanger
-Color matched SRAM X.0 parts for factory appearance
-Custom tuned rear Fox RC-4 shock
-Scratch 9 MSRP $5979 USD and $6499 CDN
-Scratch 8 Air MSRP $4829 USD and $ 5499 CDN
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Sunday morning came a little earlier than I wanted but I was really stoked to throw a leg over the all new Remedy 9.9 OCLV and hit up the Amasa Back trail with the crew from Hermosa Tours, ours guides for today. Once again, having just left Moab 4 weeks prior and having ridden Amasa Back on that trip too, I was so stoked to get rolling on the new Remedy.
Bike set up was easy the night before with only a stem swap and air pressure adjustments needed in the Fox Talas 150mm fork and DRCV rear shock. All I had to do was gear up, throw a leg over and hit the trail.
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| Even tall guys can be set up with a 110mm stem if needed. |
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The Amasa Back Trail is a long gradual climb up onto the plateau where the trail gets faster with a mix of Jeep roads and single track. Lots of ledges, quick ups, little downs and tons of fun! Within minutes of riding the Remedy 9.9, I knew that it was a night and day different bike from its sibling the Scratch. Midway into the ride and I knew that this was the right tool for the job, or should I say trail.
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The DRCV (Dual Rate Control Valve) rear shock from Fox seemed to keep the Remedy planted on the climbs and the descents - the bike was so active that I actually had to stop and ask a tech if this was correct as all too often an active bike in one area is rough in another, but not the Remedy. In Trek's own words "this exclusive Trek technology combines the pedaling efficiency of a small canister air shock with the big hit compliance of a larger canister shock." What can I say, it works and it works really well. So well that I wanted to redo Saturday's ride on the the Remedy 9.9 if I'd had the chance in order to really compare the two bikes and the rear shock that just really seemed to have me sticking to the ground and not getting bucked around.
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Lunch at Hole in the Rock Arch and return via Rock Stacker and Jackson's Trail. The more I rode the Remedy 9.9, the more I felt the bike working with me, from the short burst climbs to the tech little descents. Parts spec comes into play too as the Crankbros. Joplin post is a must for folks that love to get out and ride varied terrain and don't want to be bothered with dismounting for a section or adjusting their post and then remounting their bike. While I rarely adjust the travel on travel adjust forks, I really was liking the lock out control on the Fox TALAS 15QR fork. Pro Pedal is subtle but noticeable on the rear Fox DRCV too, and helped on the longer climbs and last section of gravel road.
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| Remedy 9.9 |
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| Remedy 9.9 |
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| Remedy 9.8 |
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| OCLV Front Triangle |
 OCLV |  E2 |  OCLV |
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Using Trek's own OCLV Carbon for the front triangle was a no brainer, it was figuring out how to make it the strongest possible and resistant to impacts that was of greatest concern. All sorts of impact resistance tests were performed and in the end Trek developed their own Carbon Armor to help protect your bike from rocks that are constantly spat up at the down tube from your front tire.
Below are videos showing Aluminum in a strike test, standard carbon, enhanced carbon and armored carbon. Armored carbon proved to be 25% stronger than standard carbon, as strong as Aluminum Remedy, and more durable than Aluminum Remedy. This armoring is expected to greatly reduce/eliminate the 80% of all warranties that were within 8 inches of the BB on the down tube - great initiative in fixing an issue!
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-DRCV rear shock (dual rate control valve) - the valve controls when the second chamber comes into play and changes the spring rate - turns very linear from the mid stroke on.
-ABP Race (lighter, faster, narrower - 239mm for ABP and 220mm for ABP Race)
-Mag EVO link
-All new 18.5" sizing - YES! My size!
-OCLV (Optimum Compaction, Low Void) - Patented in 1992 - Multi directional process for each layer for aid strength where it's most needed
-Hand made in the USA, patented, leading edge technology, lifetime warranty, 18 years of carbon experience.
-Carbon Armor
-E2 head tube
-Frame only option (no price as of yet)
-Remedy 9.9 MSRP $6819 USD and $7299 CDN
-Remedy 9.8 MSRP $4399 USD and $4699 CDN
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| Travis Brown waiting on the return of his Remedy 9.9 |
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| Enjoying a fire on our last night in Moab |
Please visit trekbikes.com to learn more about all their 2010 offerings.
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| Bontrager RL Mountain Shoe |
Custom Vans Warner Shoes:
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| Served up hot |
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Trek Ticket:
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-E2 head tube
-Adjustable drop outs (SS or geared) - 15.74" to 16.5", 135x10mm thru axle spacing
-ISCG 05 mounts
-Forged yoke and gussets for strength
-Short and Long sizes
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All Professional Pictures by Sterling Lorence and Craig Glaspell.
115 Comments
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fantaman
(Nov 3, 2009 at 0:16)
Cain't beleave how sick the new Scratch are,good job Trek.
Where in the world is this place? is one of the most beautiful places i ever seen! me and my bikes want to ride there!
and one more thing to finish my bitch/rant.
I understand that there are duties and such. But now that our Canadian dollar is almost par with the american must we still pay so much more?
does not ake any sense to me.
I understand that there are duties and such. But now that our Canadian dollar is almost par with the american must we still pay so much more?
does not ake any sense to me.
the scratch 9 is absolutely sick but come on trek 7300$, no way a bike should cost that much (except for maybe a custom dh rig)
I was like wow holy nice job then saw the price of 8500 and thought that I missed some other bike equipped with BOS or something
Trek seems to be bringing road bike prices to MTBers. I mean look at what the Dura Ace stuff costs????
Digging the tech on the custom air shock.
And I remember seeing that hardtail with McCaul last year when I met him. He said he had been testing on it for a bit back then, should it should be dialed in now.
And I remember seeing that hardtail with McCaul last year when I met him. He said he had been testing on it for a bit back then, should it should be dialed in now.
its not costoum the last years gerry fisher roscoe had it... but still nice bikes trek loving the ticket...
the shock is completely proprietary though, and is only found on Trek bicycles, and considering that Trek owns Gary Fisher, it is in fact a custom shock for only Trek bikes. You will not see that shock outside of the Trek family anytime soon. And boy-o-boy is it a nice addition to the already supple Full Float setup of the Remedy.
Head angle adjustable by .5 of a degree! Are they having a laugh, nobody would notice such a ridicules small change!
yes, it is true, the 0.5 degree change, is noticable, particularly in the handling characteristics of the bike.
Yes, I believe that the "average owner" will notice a huge difference in the handling characteristics of the bike. A 0.5° change in the head angle can increase or decrease the wheelbase significantly, slow down or speed up the steering, and make the bike more nimble or more stable at high speeds.
I think the mistake you are making, TMITN, is that you are looking at the .5° as a figure in comparison to the overall head angle. Look at the whole trek MTB range - 70° for top end XC to 65° for the Session 88. That is 5° total change from lycra-lads to DH... .5° is a 10% change over the whole range, so imagine the difference this can make in a single bike, even for the average rider.
gavind this is biking not maths i like the idea of an adjustable head angle too bad they cost
too much for a 15 year old kid to buy
too much for a 15 year old kid to buy
Those are some of the most stunning photos I have ever seen. Who ever took them has an eye for light - and the bikes look pretty schmick.
Sterling Lawrence took some of those; he's one of the most successful photographers in mountain biking.
What is with the Canadian pricing??? I don't see why, when our dollars are so close to par that htere should be a 25% price difference. This seems ridiculous!
yeah, it is also a new product as well, so I guess they are practicising what marketers call price skimming.
yes it will, i work for a trek dealer and you're looking at about 2620 (USD) MSRP for the Scratch 9 Frame
Maestro isn't as nice as the complex single pivot Trek has going on, in my opinion. It's all about ABP.
yeah sorry man no other frame set available. get the scratch nine, sell the coil, and replace with a dhx 5.0 and you'll have your air version.
Trek just came up ANOTHER notch in my book. damn they are working hard! That new remedy is effing amazing!
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"...just as good..." that opinion, sir, is subjective. I would not rate Giant's Maestro suspension in the same category as Trek's complex single pivot design with Full Floater and ABP.
i highly disagree. ive ridden both and i do like the feel of the giant better than the abp. its over hyped
okay i should have put a disclaimer saying that i NO i have not ridden the scratch, but i do own a reign and have talked to many other owners who absolutely love theirs. so i thought i would just say that the reign x is a great option especially if your looking for something cheaper than a scratch.
yeah me too! when will people learn? Just like cell phone and ipods... this just wont work.
PS- this is me laying on the sarcasm pretty thick-
PS- this is me laying on the sarcasm pretty thick-
You might want to work on your sentence making sense first before trying to tackling sarcasm. Maybe you commented on the wrong comment?
I was given the opportunity to try out both bikes for a day each as well, the Remedy climbs better than almost any bike I have ever used and feels like it has WAY more travel than it actually does making the downhills that much more fun, and the Scratch 9 actually climbed quite well considering it's more of a freeride bike, but it does need to get up a considerable speed before it wakes up and really does its thing. The faster you go with that scratch the more confidence you gain in the bike!!! Amazing line-up!!
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With the canadian dollar being at 0,9379, I find the candian price a rip off compare to the us price...
Ex: -Remedy 9.8 MSRP $4399 USD and $5599 CDN
Are you guys kidding me? And if it's made in the US, there is no extreme taxes on it...
Ex: -Remedy 9.8 MSRP $4399 USD and $5599 CDN
Are you guys kidding me? And if it's made in the US, there is no extreme taxes on it...
Yeah their prices are strange. The actual MSRP of the Scratch 9 should read $5,699 (as it does on the dealer site), which would make the Canadian price $6,051.84.
PRICE OF THE SCRATCH =
They certainly look nice, but I recon I'll build myself a new cove G-Spot (the 6" travel machine with the suspension setup of the std and shocker) for a couple K less and be even more stoked!
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I guess it was no coincidence with TREK teaming up with Volksvagen on some marketing campaign some time ago. Both have a price higher than comparable products of other manufacturers while having actualy the same performance to offer... the price of Scratch is an overkill, especially in this segment
So $5,699 is overkill for full X.0, Atlas cranks, a custom-tuned DHX RC-4, Elixir CR Mags, a Joplin R post, and a 36 Van Fit RC2? Excuse me, but I'd like to see you try building a comparable 170mm travel frame with those same parts and have it come out at a lower price.
WAKIdesigns you gotta remember that is only suggested retail from TREK, go to your local dealer and say you want to order one up and then see what price they can get you.
It's true, Trek (like many other companies) has both a high and low retail price for all their goods.
I work for a Trek shop in SoCal and I know for a fact we could do much better than MSRP on one of them if someone wanted to order it up. Its all about the negotiation.
ya but you could still save a grand with giant. treks prices are up there with intense. its ridiculous
you could pay a little less for that giant.....but you miss out on the highest grade suspension technology and the backing of, hands-down, the best warranty on the market. i had a customer in the other day with one of the first generation carbon top fuels and he had a crack near the BB, and within a week Trek had a brand new '09 Top Fuel 9.9 WC Frame with the DT Swiss shock into my shop and we installed all his old parts and trued up his wheels on the house. giant would never hold up their warranties to that standard nor are there many giant dealers who would willing go out of their way to provide extra service on the house like we did. but if you aren't worried about the support of the 5000 dollar bike you just bought then go ahead and save a few bucks. you get what you pay for, plain and simple.
GFell is right about the warranty. We had a customer with a broken '98 Top Fuel, and Trek hooked him up with a 2009 Fuel EX 9 frame with no problems. Giant's warranty pales in comparison to Trek's.
Well my opinion was adressed mostly to Scratch as this is a proper FR/park bike, a kind that is probably the most exposed to the "critical breaking force". It is mainly amateurs that buy such bikes, or ridden at bike parks. Brake burners or simply those who want to learn to ride by hitting big stuff. Advanced freeriders are usualy seen on smaller travel bikes, and when they do buy such a rig it is usualy used on some really serious stuff like trails of North shore Vancouver, things so big that a forementioned amateur never even dreamed about. From that thinking process I took out a thought that it is pretty much a nonsense to deliver such an expensive bike that is going to be trashed big time.
Regarding the warranty issues: U want to pay 3500$ for a good bike with good components - U buy Giant - U want 20% better bike with good warranty condtitions, u pay double for Trek, Santa Cruz etc.
Regarding the warranty issues: U want to pay 3500$ for a good bike with good components - U buy Giant - U want 20% better bike with good warranty condtitions, u pay double for Trek, Santa Cruz etc.
In most cases, when I hear someone breaking a bike it is or a dirtbike or a FR bike like scratch, glory 8, dirtbag etc. People talk stuff about Spec Demo, that its heavy - well that's a bike that is built strong enough to hold up that kind of riding, but crispy scratch, just like his bigger friend session 88 needs to be handled with care...
Everything breaks eventually. It all comes down to warranty. Trek's higher prices are like buying an extended warranty with the price of the bike. Their policy is lifetime for the frame with original proof of purchase, and 5 years on their wheels alone. That's more than Giant can say. So Giants may be a little stronger and last longer before they break. I'd wager a bet that they're more likely to break after your warranty has expired. Me I'd personally have a lighter bike like a Trek that is more likely to break, but has a better warranty.
in response to WAKIdesigns, i would like to know how many "crispy" Trek's you have broken with your proper FR style. Also who cares if the amateur buys the bike, that is irrelevant to the fact that sometimes accidents happen for even them, and in that case having a bike whose company believes in it enough to warranty it for life is worth it. You get what you pay for in every respect in this industry. Also, Trek's Scratch does not at all cost twice as much as the Giant. The comparable Giant model, the Faith 0, costs roughly $2000 less for a considerably lower part spec. Add up the difference in the upgrades to the Trek and there will not be much of a difference in price. Along with that try to find anything on Giant's website about their "good warranty condtitions" you spoke of. There isn't anything b/c they do not support their product and its quality like Trek does, even though Giant is hands-down the largest producers of bikes in the world. You would figure that the largest company could manage to actually warranty their highest end equipment for life.
actually i have task for all those thinking that Giant is of similar quality to Trek. Go to Giants site and in the search bar type in "warranty", and do the same on Trek's site. The results explain why there is no comparison in quality of the products and shows just how confident Giant is in their engineering and production.
demn GFell I did not say Giant is a similar quality to TREK... I did not say that I am a FR superstar... I did not spoke anything about Giants good warranty conditions, where did you read that? I do apologize though for starting a pointless point pointing out a durability issue... ehh. I personaly dislike Giant in general although I admire the old Dh Team and 2006-08 Reign X.0 - Still, I don't care about Reign, shmeign glory flory, as I was fortunate enough to afford a SC Nomad. So Im not going to die for Giant, I just meanst that you get slightly less performance for much less money.
Nevertheless I have nothing against TREK, I'm a great fan of Remedy, I'd love to have that bike. I even like Lance Armstrong.
Nevertheless I have nothing against TREK, I'm a great fan of Remedy, I'd love to have that bike. I even like Lance Armstrong.
yea man its hard to have a conversation on these things on the internet b/c all i got out of what you typed was what i replied to.....sry i made assumptions, i guess i am just a die hard Trek fan and never realized it.
PS if you ever get the chance to demo the new Trek lineup do it, its a blast im sure anyone who tries these bikes will appreciate the quality
PS if you ever get the chance to demo the new Trek lineup do it, its a blast im sure anyone who tries these bikes will appreciate the quality
I'm not even a die hard Trek fan, personally I'd take a Santa Cruz Nomad or Specialized Enduro over any of the bikes reviewed in this article. I just try to keep people from being misinformed about new bikes, and since I work at a Trek dealer I feel a little obligated to back up their products.
yea I know 
but it's always good to have conversations like these There's nothing wrong in a constructive echange of opinions. I just don't know that much about Trek as I haven't ridden one, I just took a closer look at session 88 and the sound that tubing makes when you tap it with your finger - not that hard as the V10 for example (yea I know stupid base of judgement, still telling a bit) Nevertheless I am pretty sure that Remedy is one of these bikes that anyone, regardless of riding style, can buy without a testride and has a 100% guarantee that he/she's going to love it. Just like Nomad, Socom, SX Trail or Spec Enduro and a few others
but it's always good to have conversations like these There's nothing wrong in a constructive echange of opinions. I just don't know that much about Trek as I haven't ridden one, I just took a closer look at session 88 and the sound that tubing makes when you tap it with your finger - not that hard as the V10 for example (yea I know stupid base of judgement, still telling a bit) Nevertheless I am pretty sure that Remedy is one of these bikes that anyone, regardless of riding style, can buy without a testride and has a 100% guarantee that he/she's going to love it. Just like Nomad, Socom, SX Trail or Spec Enduro and a few others 
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i would buy a trek...but the shop that sell trek's by my house has a bunch of employees that are f*cking c*nts
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