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Banshee Scythe - Built for burl and hurl

August 21, 2008

Published by brule


Source: Ryan Kuhn

Midway through the 2008 season, the DH race beast sunk its fangs deep into my blood. I suddenly had a burning desire to get on the track as much and as soon as possible. However, the limiting factor was I had dumped all my cash early in the season on a new “all mountain” ride more apt to the single track of my hometown of Rossland, B.C.

In order to fix my craving, drastic measures were called for. I decided the only option was to delve into the line-of-credit (all-mountain bike for sale…anyone?) to build a race-capable bike, along with a little help from my friends. However, I had a few prerequisites: I wanted to keep it local (as in a B.C./Pacific Northwest company), simple and sturdy enough to handle the day-to-day abuse freeriding in the Kootenays of British Columbia. This is in addition to the performance necessary of a competitive race machine.

Here's what my debt built:

Frame:


Banshee Scythe – If you haven't checked out Banshee (bansheebikes.com) in a while, you're in for a big surprise. Under new ownership and with a list of new designs, Banshee is poised to claw back some of the North Shore/freeride market of which it once played a more dominate role. Synonymous with being very beefy, the older Banshee models such as the Scream were gradually becoming relegated to the sidelines as riders of today demand lighter weight and performance in addition to durability.

Banshee design engineer Keith Scott (and co-owner with Jay MacNeil) recognized this trend as he was an avid North Shore rider himself. He developed the Scythe as the bike he wanted to ride with same characteristics I was looking for – durable, light, no-fuss and race potential due to the geometry's adjustability and light weight. If you want to see Scythe's sexy new race sibling, check out the Legend Mk1 at http://www.bansheebikes.blogspot.com/.

The Scythe is adjustable from 7” to 8” of rear wheel travel, with two shock settings in each for downhill and freeride applications (the latter having a higher bb and steeper head angle). The linkage is a simple but stiff faux-bar (effectively a single pivot with the rear pivot point on the seat stay) linkage with a full compliment of sealed bearings handling the pivot points. The head tube is 1.5” and most of the tubing is hydro-formed with gusseting seamlessly melded into the frame. I received the small size in the finely finished anodized grey. It came with a Fox DHX 5.0 coil shock, spare bearing/bushing parts, seat post and a 12mm Maxle rear axle – a nice touch.


Fork:

2008 Fox 40r – with rebound and compression cartridge installed. The Fox 40 is one of two truly competitive racing forks for the mass market (the other being the Boxxer World Cup). I got a great deal on the 40r from Revolution Cycles and Service (revolutioncycles.ca) and ordered the rebound/compression upgrade cartridge. With a remarkably simple swap, the budget model was transformed into the high-end model.


Other bits:

Brakes: I'm waiting on a set of the Formula Ones, but in the meantime my old Hayes Stroker Trails (see previous review) are keeping things in line. While not really a race brake by any means, I am still impressed by the Hayes feel and adjustability.

Wheels: I am pleased with my Mavic 823 UST rims, so they earned their spot on this build. I laced them to pewter Chris King 20mm front hub and a new Hadley 150mm rear hub, joined by DT Swiss spokes. Finally, to keep things rolling fast yet versatile for the sloppier stuff, I put 2.5 Maxxis Minion UST front-specific tires on both wheels.

Drive Train: up front, sturdy Shimano Saint cranks with Shimano PD-MX30 pedals turn a versatile 36-tooth chain ring encased in a Gamut P30 (ISCG05 compatible) chain guide. This is my first experience with Gamut, but its light weight, simplicity and clean lines are impressive. In the rear, a SRAM 9.0 short cage derailleur gets the duty, along with a SRAM racing (corn cob) race cassette, linked by a SRAM chain.


Topping it off: Ole faithful ODI Ruffian Grips grab an oversized Chromag FUBAR zero rise bar (28” wide) with a stylish Chromag Cutblock 002 stem and an X9 shifter. I opted for a light WTB Thinline saddle.


Final spec: Fully built, the Scythe comes in at a respectable 39.5 lbs. – light as a freeride bike that is race capable. And on top of that, it's a made-in-BC head-turner, especially in the durable stealth grey ano and matching bits.



Up Next: I'll be riding this in several races to finish off the season, just finished the Crankworx events and heading to Sun Peaks, as well as the many new trails we're digging in the Koots. Stay tuned for a full review of the Scythe this fall.

Happy Trails!
  • + 6 props
flag dillonchamberlain (August 22, 2008 at 0:09) (Below Threshold) show comment
looks like it will be the best banshee model ever.
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flag aconquergood (August 22, 2008 at 10:38) (Below Threshold) show comment
yea but what is that straight bar doing on that bike?
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flag xltrider (August 22, 2008 at 11:22) (Below Threshold) show comment
my guess is he likes a low bar height...i could be wrong though.
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flag tremblay (August 22, 2008 at 12:03) (Below Threshold) show comment
straighter/lower bar = better for DH. Come on, I only dirtjump and BMX and I know that
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flag HARDCOREy (August 23, 2008 at 15:35) (Below Threshold) show comment
hey it looks like banshee engineers figured out how to build a turner highline.
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flag artridersierpc (August 22, 2008 at 0:19) (Below Threshold) show comment
yeah, but my friend has one and brake it at month
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flag dirtjumper1992 (August 22, 2008 at 0:24) (Below Threshold) show comment
i like it but im just not a fan of bikes with a straight toptube i know there nice and simplistic ... just sumthin bout em
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flag runwithscissor09 (August 22, 2008 at 9:33) (Below Threshold) show comment
curved top tubes make them look like girl bikes
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flag giantman817 (August 22, 2008 at 9:59) (Below Threshold) show comment
no-rise bars???
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flag Kona-Zach (August 22, 2008 at 10:11) (Below Threshold) show comment
ya why no raised bars it looks odd with strait ones
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flag whiteboy250 (August 22, 2008 at 10:21) (Below Threshold) show comment
ya
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flag ryann (August 22, 2008 at 10:22) (Below Threshold) show comment
Keeps you lower in the cockpit/front - I'm not a tall guy so don't need the rise. Agreed it looks odd at first, but I'm getting used to it. It's comfortable and has a good sweep. Riser bars do just that - raise you up.
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flag mavster (August 22, 2008 at 12:43) (Below Threshold) show comment
bent top tubes for bent riders
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flag twigme (August 22, 2008 at 0:51) (Below Threshold) show comment
Thats perty light with that setup
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flag ryann (August 22, 2008 at 8:32) (Below Threshold) show comment
You're right - it should have read 39.5lbs - I've asked Brule to correct it in the story.
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flag brule (August 22, 2008 at 9:08) (Below Threshold) show comment
Fixed it for ya buddy. Nice machine.
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flag Ben-P (August 22, 2008 at 1:41) (Below Threshold) show comment
For me the frame looks like a good basis for a gearbox-bike.
Look at the bottombracket-area, there is so much space and it is a single-pivot
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flag audeo03 (August 22, 2008 at 7:29) (Below Threshold) show comment
Not a single pivot...
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flag 1zander1 (August 22, 2008 at 8:16) (Below Threshold) show comment
its a faux bar, so it's rear wheel path acts exactly like a single pivot
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flag mjsca07 (August 22, 2008 at 2:45) (Below Threshold) show comment
Never said how much he spent
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flag maxrampling (August 22, 2008 at 3:26) (Below Threshold) show comment
you said you where stuck for money..
look at the spec :S
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flag bigburd (August 22, 2008 at 4:16) (Below Threshold) show comment
how that qualifys as a single pivot i don't know but it does look very nice
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flag benjiyeti (August 22, 2008 at 4:33) (Below Threshold) show comment
wait till you see my banshee! beats this one anyday! i will post it up as soon as it arives at my door!
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flag makattak (August 22, 2008 at 4:37) (Below Threshold) show comment
Wow looks a lot like a Devinci- got to go with what works I suppose
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flag willshiels (August 22, 2008 at 4:47) (Below Threshold) show comment
Looks very similar to a Wilson, except the wilson is a Horst-Link and this is a Faux-Bar Single Pivot.
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flag smirgski (August 22, 2008 at 5:11) (Below Threshold) show comment
Banshee bikes are fabricated in Taiwan as I understand it. Designed in Canada/PNW, but made overseas.
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flag smirgski (August 22, 2008 at 5:18) (Below Threshold) show comment
Love the new designed they are coming out with , pivots, etc. I'd like to try a pyre.
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flag light (August 22, 2008 at 10:03) (Below Threshold) show comment
Check out my Pyre. 31 lbs that can handle everything.

http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/2330844/
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flag martins (August 22, 2008 at 20:42) (Below Threshold) show comment
Here's my Pyre,love it, hardly ride my Nomad anymore...

http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/2347754/
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flag enduro06 (August 22, 2008 at 6:08) (Below Threshold) show comment
I rode a Scythe set up that the Banshee rep had. That is one sweet ride man!
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flag daunhiller (August 22, 2008 at 6:19) (Below Threshold) show comment
don´t like the "XC" on the pedals on the last picture...

downhill sport is drifting way too far into the CrossCountry sector. lightweight parts are not everything about downhill. for sure there are some nice, light and stiff parts, but the most of them don´t even stand one season (i´m a good rider, do not criticize my riding style )
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flag Spcialzd (August 22, 2008 at 7:58) (Below Threshold) show comment
Those are shimano DX pedals. When there upside down it looks like it says XC. There a lightweight Freeride/Downhill/4X all around pedal that is very strong.

I thought you were joking until I read your part about how its drifting into the XC sector. If you were, Sorry
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flag allenrotstein (August 22, 2008 at 12:19) (Below Threshold) show comment
German buddy, there's no way to snap or crack those DX pedals.. They're pretty much the best pedals out there, even better than the DMR V12..
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flag cjf1972 (August 22, 2008 at 15:56) (Below Threshold) show comment
Lighter components are better for lighter riders that do not have the extra weight to move heavier machines. With all this being said, since the riders are lighter they put less stress on the lighter components, in turn, the lighter components last longer and are not stressed as much as they would be with a heavier rider. Its all scientific mumbo-jumbo dealing with the weight of rider verses weight of equiptment and all that... well, you get the jist.
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flag cjf1972 (August 22, 2008 at 16:00) (Below Threshold) show comment
If you have not done so yet, take at the peice done on Ben Reid and his ride to see what measures he and his father took to shave some weight to balance the weight ratios of man vs. machine... very cool article.
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flag specializedhd (August 22, 2008 at 7:14) (Below Threshold) show comment
looks good but could do with different h/bars
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flag burned (August 22, 2008 at 7:26) (Below Threshold) show comment
Wow, Banshee has changed from the days of heavy beefed up bikes. Looks like a weak frame.
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flag builttoride (August 22, 2008 at 8:04) (Below Threshold) show comment
That broken Scyhte is the only one to have broken, and has already been warrantied I believe. It only snapped because the Chainstay was not heat treated properly, and the heat affected zone near the weld created a weakness in the material. The chainstay assembly is actually almost identical to a 2007 Chaparral in terms of how it is welded together, and none of them failed this way either. so just a one off mistake by the factory. Once again applogies to michalak.
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flag daunhiller (August 22, 2008 at 8:26) (Below Threshold) show comment
k, sry about that xc pedals^^ but the rest is true
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flag Strelioff (August 22, 2008 at 8:34) (Below Threshold) show comment
Go Rory go!
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flag ernin (August 22, 2008 at 9:15) (Below Threshold) show comment
that is a tough as hell bike.
but i dream about the 2009 legend. sexy.
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flag jackthedirtjumper (August 22, 2008 at 11:19) (Below Threshold) show comment
pooooooooooooooooooooooooooo poooooooooooooooooooooooo
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flag tott (August 22, 2008 at 11:39) (Below Threshold) show comment
I look forward to trying to keep up to you Ryan! Nice set up.
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flag allenrotstein (August 22, 2008 at 12:15) (Below Threshold) show comment
buddy, don't get those Formula One... They suck big time! Stick to Avid Elixir CR or Juicy Carbon.. both on 203 front and 7 inches rear. (stay away from Juicy Ultimate tho..)

Just my 2 cents.
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flag martins (August 22, 2008 at 20:45) (Below Threshold) show comment
My Formula Ones are fantastic, way better than any Juicy I've owned/tried.
Have you already tried the Elixers? There aren't many around yet...
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flag tgunn (August 22, 2008 at 14:21) (Below Threshold) show comment
are they banshee in the uk again now or mythic still? caus there was some dispute with halfords over the name banshee as they sell a bike called a carrera banshee and they demanded that (at the time) banshee change there name to something else in court i believe.....this still the case or is banshee back with a vengeance?
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flag builttoride (August 22, 2008 at 16:19) (Below Threshold) show comment
Banshee sells under Mythic in the UK due to Halfords.
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flag MooMoo2323 (August 22, 2008 at 15:01) (Below Threshold) show comment
those chainstays look really long, like a transition blindside. the sicklines review of the blindside says they're flexy. any noticable flex in the banshee? if not, how is this if the blindside does? all-in-all, sweet looking ride!
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flag nato (August 22, 2008 at 22:27) (Below Threshold) show comment
I believe all Banshees have ribbed chain and seat stays making them very stiff in the back end. This is the case with my Wildcard, which i love.
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flag nfiorito (August 25, 2008 at 11:22) (Below Threshold) show comment
As is also the case with my Wildcard, which as it happens, I also love. Banshee is back, baby!!
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flag greaseball (August 22, 2008 at 16:02) (Below Threshold) show comment
niicccceeee
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flag slayer1979 (August 22, 2008 at 16:10) (Below Threshold) show comment
fox 40's, banshee frame, king headset?thats you building on a budget? shit man, whats u dream ride spec?
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flag trentS (August 22, 2008 at 18:42) (Below Threshold) show comment
whats with the strait bar, looks like its from a ccm.
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flag drenboi (August 22, 2008 at 20:39) (Below Threshold) show comment
the straight h/bar is more for DH race..keeps you lower for more aerodynamic stuff and also lets you put down more weight on the front end for traction i think
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flag dillonhiemer17 (August 22, 2008 at 23:51) (Below Threshold) show comment
that is like an exact copy of the transition gran mal.
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flag thomasowen (August 23, 2008 at 3:30) (Below Threshold) show comment
thats really nice- best banshee yet.
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flag skd209 (August 23, 2008 at 10:48) (Below Threshold) show comment
i really wish it was that simple to built up a bike that sick for me. it would take me a year. i love the build.
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flag masonloves4 (August 23, 2008 at 13:43) (Below Threshold) show comment
wow really sick but iagree with one of htet comments there getting to crass counrty with all this light stuff
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flag quickfinger (August 23, 2008 at 14:01) (Below Threshold) show comment
I must say i love my scythe First day i got it i threw all my parts on it it comes in at 41LBS and rides like a dream absorbes the big hits with ease yet takes the quick chunder with suprisingly good stability corners amazing and the rear end is so stiff its not even funny. all in all the best bike ive owned. and my happy new replacement of my old banshee chapparal


Btw nice set up man hoping to get a bit nicer on my ride for next season
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flag freeridersean (August 23, 2008 at 14:31) (Below Threshold) show comment
Hey Keith, it's combatkimura (Sean) from mtbr. I can't tell you how much I'm drooling over this frame. It's all business man. Love it! I'll most likely be on one next year if I can get decent money for my Blindside. I love the CNC details on the rear dropouts, great work there.
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flag c-radDH (August 23, 2008 at 23:54) (Below Threshold) show comment
it looks alot lighter then 39 pounds
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flag skibiker (August 24, 2008 at 16:16) (Below Threshold) show comment
I love my Scythe and Rune. Thanks Jay
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flag downhillscotty (August 29, 2008 at 8:10) (Below Threshold) show comment
wow thats sick my friend want to sell his sunday day and get that thing

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