Black Market Roam - Revisions by brule

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ecdced12984 (Jan 7, 2011 at 8:37)

Im not knocking black market cause I've never heard anything bad about them. But if this bike had a cannondale or norco sticker on it everyone would say it looks like shit. But I think it's funny that black market has such a big hype that everyones gotta bust a nut when they see one.

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spankthewan (Jan 7, 2011 at 11:27)

"...blah blah this bike looks SOOO AWESOME" That's a great point, and the bike is probably welded by the same person...the same guy sitting back and laughing at the ignorant state of frenzy that marketing hype promotes.

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Big-JD (May 27, 2011 at 15:09)

why is everybody ripping this it looks sweet to me

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joebmx88 (Jan 6, 2011 at 22:28)

This bike seems like it's confused. 66HA, but only 5.7 of travel? Needs just a little bit more travel a-la Mojo HD or Nomad in my opinion, even 6.7 to step on the feet of the Reign X or old SX. Glad BM is producing trail bikes now, though.

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me2menow (Jan 6, 2011 at 22:55)

that just means youd have to spec it with a talas

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milesofpain (Jan 9, 2011 at 19:46)

although the bb would be really low with the talas all the way down. Lots of pedal strikes when climbing

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me2menow (Jan 9, 2011 at 19:57)

thats just half the fun Wink

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Rippinp1 (Nov 26, 2011 at 21:08)

I would marry this bike if it was a 6.7 or even a 7 inch bike Big Grin

please please please let there be more travel

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mountguitars (Jan 7, 2011 at 0:25)

its a single pivot bike. what makes it different from all the single pivots out there? i like the top tube though. its so low i think the stand over on this baby is one of the best in its class.

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iamamodel (Jan 6, 2011 at 22:21)

Looks like a good, dependable bike.

Not sure about the micro-adjustable dropouts - I woulda gone for two sets of holes with centres 12mm apart and forget the chain tensioner - unless they are using the same dropouts on a different frame and therefore they are making one set of dropouts for multiple frames.

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iamamodel (Jan 6, 2011 at 22:36)

On reflection, those dropouts would make sense on the Killswitch. Yes, indeed.

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staike (Jan 7, 2011 at 2:30)

What would be the point of having chain tugs on the dropouts on this bike? It's not possible to run it single speed (because of chain growth throughout the stroke) without a chain tensioner anyway... right?

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mtnbykr05 (Jan 7, 2011 at 12:35)

Yes, you are correct. There is quite a bit of chain growth with a high single pivot such as this, therefore you would need a tensioner. The tugs would allow for chainstay adjustment. Pull 'em out for a faster, more stable bike. Tug 'em in for a a tight, poppy bike.

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KAMANCHI (Jan 7, 2011 at 19:27)

It's an overlap fit adjustable dropout. The bolts that move the dropout are there because the first prototype drops where hard to pull back and forth just with the two bolts. The adjuster bolt creates and easy fine adjustment without the "look" of having one. It has nothing to do with single speed tension. The drops will also come in a through axle/Maxle fit threads.

Pablo

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thegringo (Jan 8, 2011 at 13:00)

With a worthy pilot behind the bars,i've no doubt whatsoever that this bike could have endurance DH events the world over totally owned.Not to mention the Megavalanche,and related races.This is one of the best mountain bikes i've seen in a long while,just pure beautiful.
Gringo. Drool

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bballboy388 (Jan 6, 2011 at 22:47)

joe i disagree it seems similar to a bottle rocket in that manor. Bottle rocket has 5.5in and a 67ha plus it seems like its more meant for someone that wants a bike that will be light and okay to climb but still be a blast dh

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pwendel (Jan 7, 2011 at 20:43)

Props to the S&M/Blackmarket peeps...lots of potential here! Makes me feel really good as I write this holding my beer in an S&M 20th Anniversary coozie around my beer and seeing the progression of S&M. Smile

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tobiebiker (Jan 6, 2011 at 21:46)

dambit

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rigodon777 (Jan 6, 2011 at 21:47)

That looks like the PERFECT whistler bike.

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fappachino (Jan 6, 2011 at 21:48)

looks nice. lets hope its as good as their street frames

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kevron711 (Jan 6, 2011 at 21:50)

frame looks sick! Is a saint dh groupo a little heavy though for the frame style?

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bubbaleech (Jan 6, 2011 at 21:51)

Looks like it would be a great do-it-all bike. Is it just me or does the geo look almost more freeride?

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dillpicle (Jan 6, 2011 at 21:51)

looks good!

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Filipei7 (Jan 6, 2011 at 21:54)

the graphic photos remind me of the corsair maelstrom

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xpirimint (Jan 6, 2011 at 22:15)

Never thought they'd get into the full suspension market. Good looking bikes though. That killswitch is sick too

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MTBbros Plus (Jan 6, 2011 at 22:21)

great to see a bigger bike by them Big Grin

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ripperboy (Jan 6, 2011 at 22:24) (Below Threshold) show comment

rigodon777
i live in whistler and ride the park everyday this bike would get killed
but on trail rides it would be sweet

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bubbaleech (Jan 6, 2011 at 22:26)

How are you making judgements on a bike that you havent even ridden? It looks bombproof to me. On what grounds would it get killed?

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spankthewan (Jan 6, 2011 at 22:53)

That's right. "Damn" is spelled like "lamb"... Dambit!

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R-OCallaghan (Jan 6, 2011 at 23:12)

my friend rode his killswitch at whistler and was fine, i even tried it for a run and thought it was super fun

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OllyJ (Jan 6, 2011 at 23:15)

Mm, I'm going to agree with you kevron711, saint looks a bit overkill, I guess there might be a couple of 'build kits' released like a few companies are doing now, so they might do a more freeride orientated one (setup above perhaps) for hitting parks with, but that taking up the hill wouldn't be impossible, then they might wang a load of SLX on one lighten it up a bit and make it a bit more of an all rounder Smile

Looks sick whichever way you look at it!

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robscott2010 (Jan 6, 2011 at 23:30) (Below Threshold) show comment

this bike looks good but the norco shore is the same build... id say they copied off norco tbh

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shorewhore (Jan 7, 2011 at 0:24)

not a fan of that rear der cable routing on the chainstay. that houing is going to be beat to shit after one run unless they supply a durable protector over it.

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RaleighVoid (Jan 7, 2011 at 0:32)

sure they will tbh. i jizzed when i saw those CAD pics

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RaleighVoid (Jan 7, 2011 at 0:34)

reminds me of the Nukeproof Scalp.

..one way to get neg props haha

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downlink (Jan 7, 2011 at 1:01)

Black Market actually make amazing bikes, wow Smile

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ship-it-fed-ex (Jan 7, 2011 at 1:33)

Shorewhore a simple tube wrap would do just fine..

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crazy-d (Jan 7, 2011 at 2:19)

Its not so much that the saint groupo is overkill, maybe when they release it there will be saint with the coil version, and then slx or something with the air shock?

Either way it does look amazing...and super slack!

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k-ron (Jan 7, 2011 at 2:28)

I run saint groupset on my 6 incher. Burly build for big stuff. Love the look of this frame.

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rorywood (Jan 7, 2011 at 4:01)

yeah looks like a great do-it-all freeride bike Big Grin

dunno what ripperboy was on about this look perfect for whistler! imagine it on A-line Drool

haha

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McDonnell (Jan 7, 2011 at 11:26)

its almost like they tried to make a dh bike, but ended not having enough travel from the linkage.

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mtbKELSEY (Jan 7, 2011 at 11:45)

There was a Blkmrkt rep parked next to our tent at a local DH race, he let us ride this bike around, I seriously loved it! Very nimble and a nice amount of travel, the first time you swing your leg over it feels like its been your bike for 2 years!

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sean-dh (Jan 7, 2011 at 13:39)

@kevron711 Saints are hollowtech so not too heavy Smile

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kevron711 (Jan 7, 2011 at 19:17)

Yeah but what about something like slx or around that group for cranks

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rorywood (Jan 8, 2011 at 1:59)

yeah i have slx on my hardtail - its 44 pounds :S lol but they r amazing! really strong decent weight and look real nice Big Grin

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OllyJ (Jan 8, 2011 at 2:08)

Its true, they aren't too heavy for their strengtht, but say theres a sorta 'required strength of kit' rating for kit on bikes, a DH bikes kit would need to be 9/10 and a halfords bike (Americans/Canadians dunno if you know halfords, they're mass produced toy bikes) would need to be 1. Are you going to be riding this bike to a 10/9 strength level, or actually to a 7/8 level tops, the SLX cranks are probably around 7/8 in the grand scheme of things, so why go for heavier burlier (and ultimately more expensive) cranks when they'll do the same job on that bike? Its just my opinion, hope I've explained it properly! haha Smile

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RaleighVoid (Jan 8, 2011 at 3:19)

well explained. the only reason i can think of is that thats the top spec model for people who want the best (lets face it, its sexy) but i guess there will be equally capable lower spec models, like with domains and SLX/strokers rydes etc

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sean-dh (Jan 8, 2011 at 7:24)

http://weightweenies.starbike.com/listings/components.php?type=cranksets&sortby=real />

there ya go

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rorywood (Jan 8, 2011 at 11:12)

yeah ollyj thats true the slx might not be the lighest or the strongest but they fit between nicely enough to do most things - from xc to dh Razz

i have them and pro bars from xmas still need to post pics though Big Grin

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stinker (Jan 8, 2011 at 18:31)

low bb, medium travel,low COG and toptube, short chainsay, short wheel base this looks like one of the funnest bikes ever

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KAMANCHI (Jan 11, 2011 at 1:26)

Here are high quality renderings I left on the Black Market FB page. The ones here where actually just for Carter to check what the updates looked like.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1533552902674&set=o.243406375312

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richardsouthernextreme (Jan 7, 2011 at 7:17)

like the look of it, the geo looks like fun as well

dont like the short stroke shock... 2" stroke seems short by todays standards for a 6inch bike would really work an air can on a long run,

something the change for the mk2 i guess.

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KAMANCHI (Jan 7, 2011 at 19:19)

57mm stroke

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WAKIdesigns (Jan 7, 2011 at 9:09)

That looks sooooo awesome! So simple yet. In the era of "not_sure_we_need_that_much_tech" bikes that looks spot on. As with killswitch: a capable bike-masterpiece pretender.

One thing though. Top tube looks pretty short. Good for FR and miniDH but one might feel a bit crumped when the time comes to put some power down or have some good pressure on the front on tech trails. But well maybe downward movement was the main thought.

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spankthewan (Jan 6, 2011 at 21:55)

It's the bike of my dreams, but it is still overly swoopy like an SX. Those are feminine lines....not something I want on my bike. The green and yellow CAD models look a lot better than the black.

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isaacds Mod Plus (Jan 6, 2011 at 23:04)

i completely missed this comment when I wrote a reply to the above... my thoughts exactly... however, I had an sx...

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OllyJ (Jan 6, 2011 at 23:18)

I dunno, I don't think its anywhere near as swoopy, this looks quite sleek, like it just gives you more standover height without making an odd looking toptube and seat mast reinforcement thing. The new SX's (09 and newer) just look like they've been left in the sun too long Wink

haha

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isaacds Mod Plus (Jan 6, 2011 at 23:45)

the point is that it's aesthetically out of place with the rest of the bike. the sx's are justified with their reasoning, and understandably so. turndown's and clearance, great pro's for a fr bike, why on an am bike that's meant for heavy use... the cad drawings were simple and clean.

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KAMANCHI (Jan 7, 2011 at 19:29)

The first protos came with that awful bend at the top tube and was a mistake by the manufacture. It was never the intent to have the "swoop"

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c25porter (Jan 7, 2011 at 10:08)

There are so many choices out there, this looks like it fits right in line with a Scratch, built and comfortable on free ride, but capable of AM. I would stick with the Scratch as my personal choice. Good looking bike though, but if it pedals like a new SX trail, it is not meant to go uphill, capable and meant to, are two different things.

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HartofDarkness (Jan 7, 2011 at 9:45)

So sick!! This thing has Pablo's signature details all over it. That guy is a mad genius. This frame couldn't be any sweeter!

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Keiron (Jan 7, 2011 at 2:33)

That looks pretty sick but......please morph that muverfugger into a DH monster!.....in that wild green color used in the first 2 CAD drawings!! :p

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sgeorgiev (Jan 7, 2011 at 18:57)

I think that the seat tube is kind of long.I personally will want something like 16 inches for M size,like the Banshee Spitfire sizing.

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propza (Jan 7, 2011 at 14:20)

only so long until they add 3 inches and hey presto, they have a downhill bike

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Trekalways (Jan 7, 2011 at 13:53)

that thing would look wicked with the s-post slamed into the seat tube and my a$$ on top of it, it would prob rub a full compress but wth

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yenaer (Jan 7, 2011 at 0:06)

Looks sweet! Although what's the purpose of the adjustable dropouts? At first glance they don't make sense to me unless the dropouts were horizontal and the frame would work with a single speed setup.

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KAMANCHI (Jan 7, 2011 at 12:38)

Adjusting Chainstay length

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hanley Plus (Jan 6, 2011 at 21:48)

This. Is. Awesome.

'nuff said

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tire Plus (Jan 6, 2011 at 21:55)

lovin' the flat black

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takobro (Jan 8, 2011 at 18:06)

umm, do you mean matt black?

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milesofpain (Jan 9, 2011 at 19:42)

umm, do you mean matte black?

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D1rtJumper (Jan 10, 2011 at 16:26)

umm, do you wanna stfu and admire this work of art while jizzing all over?

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takobro (Jan 11, 2011 at 8:03)

http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_158519_langId_-1_categoryId_165495
lol Wink

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tire Plus (Jan 13, 2011 at 20:28)

matte and flat...... same shit

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wheeldrop (Jan 10, 2011 at 8:12)

If and when my Sx breaks ,i will consider this option.I wonder how the warranty is.

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Terrafire (Jan 6, 2011 at 22:22)

Goddamnit, I cant decide between a Bottlerocket and the Roam. What do you guys think?

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bubbaleech (Jan 6, 2011 at 22:27)

be a badass and get the roam.

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travman69 (Jan 6, 2011 at 22:54)

get the roam, bottlerockets feel like garbage unless you have them absoutely dialed. plus the roam looks badass

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Terrafire (Jan 6, 2011 at 23:18)

But I can probably get a much better deal on a Bottlerocket.

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chainsawnz (Jan 6, 2011 at 23:25)

BottleRockets are awesome. Owned one for 3 years. Not so great at the up,however fan bloody tastic at the downs and on jumps. Take a little getting used to if you move from a proper DH bike. If you are mainly doing shuttles/lifts then go the Rocket.

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mittelding (Jan 7, 2011 at 2:58)

The Bottle Rocket is more simple. The whole big CNC part of the Roam looks like it will hold all the dirt from the trail. The hammer link, is just another single pivot design. And physically, there is no reason for those curved top- and downtube (for all frames).

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grievo (Jan 7, 2011 at 11:49)

Downtube maybe, but top tube could theoretically be for stand over hight, slightly lower center of gravity and trick-ability.

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Terrafire (Jan 7, 2011 at 13:53)

Trick-ability isnt a valid property.

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grievo (Jan 7, 2011 at 21:20)

I mean It's probably easier to get your leg over the top tube; good for tail whips, can-cans ect. Don't know how many guys will be whipping it, but whatever.

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thelumberjack (Jan 9, 2011 at 13:49)

cant wait - never owned a full sus befor but i sense a change in the wind.......

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R4ND0M (Jan 7, 2011 at 0:29)

Bullshit;
-taper HS (1.5 !!)
-missing mounts on TT for the adj.seatpost
-ETE should be at least 216
-i hope thru-axle dropouts are available
-wheelbase , tt, reach data ?
-rear triangle looks friendly for some derailleur/disc protectors (check out lapierre...)

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Sir-Dirty-BIker (Jan 7, 2011 at 3:25)

How much are the ROAM'S going retail at ?

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dlproductionsjasper (Jan 7, 2011 at 7:48)

Great question!

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getsomesy (Jan 7, 2011 at 0:10)

chainstay length makes a huge difference in ride characteristic, even if it is only .2"

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andykdwnh1ll3r (Mar 18, 2012 at 12:39)

Anybody know when these are availiable in the UK and how much for a complete build? Looks sweet

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Champ48 (Jan 8, 2011 at 0:36)

This is just one of those bikes, where you just by looking at the picture, can feel the rush of a rockgarden in Whistler

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ragdoll (Jan 6, 2011 at 22:26)

this looks pretty nice. good to see the hammer link being adapted to the AM market.

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EchoSin (Jan 7, 2011 at 3:54)

It will be really hard to keep those CNC parts clean...
Bike looks very good.

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tonka-bike Plus (Jan 7, 2011 at 12:04)

Probably gonna put a protective cover like the older Giants had/have. I

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milesofpain (Jan 9, 2011 at 19:47)

damn that cover is a good idea! what do you use for that?

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tonka-bike Plus (Feb 1, 2011 at 10:12)

They are made of a carbon fibre just fit over the hole, screw at the top one on each side.

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santacruz54 (Jan 7, 2011 at 14:43)

anyone know any figures for buying this sick looking machine?

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Volcom66 Plus (Jan 7, 2011 at 20:24)

nice i want to try one of these !

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terible1biker57 (Jan 10, 2011 at 11:15)

Any word on price point? Also is this 4130 or aluminum?

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Sevo (Jan 7, 2011 at 5:27)

IMO Dartmoor shine looks nicer

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Terrafire (Jan 7, 2011 at 13:54)

IMO Shine also has far less travel.

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vernondan (Jan 7, 2011 at 7:53)

Meh...another single pivot bike....yay...NOT. (and yes, I do have a hate on for SP bikes!)

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anarchistx (Jan 7, 2011 at 11:04)

So much hate you called yourself Bullit-dan, and own a Santacruz Bullit?????.........OK THEN.

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vernondan (Jan 7, 2011 at 15:09)

I USED to own a Bullit. Was great, till I rode a true 4 bar. eyes opened!!! But for some reason I cant change my screen name...do you know how?

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arayner Plus (Jan 6, 2011 at 23:16)

norco 6ish... killswitch way better

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advorak (Jan 6, 2011 at 21:53)

The rear triangle has a totally different look from the front

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isaacds Mod Plus (Jan 6, 2011 at 23:03)

yeah, the cad drawing's look way better than the production run. the swooping front triangle looks out of place. the computerized rendition looks sick though.

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jut8 Plus (Jan 7, 2011 at 4:38)

This thing just looks so freak cool!

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johan90 (Jan 7, 2011 at 2:29)

Does anybody have any idea of a release date? Early, mid, late 2011?

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Duncan1104 (Jan 7, 2011 at 7:48)

Anyone know where Black Market produces their frames?

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gclarida (Jan 7, 2011 at 6:17)

sweet, as soon as they make a dh bike, im buying it.

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fitz-randolphdavid Plus (Jan 6, 2011 at 21:49)

wow

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norcospwn (Jan 6, 2011 at 22:02)

mannnnnn i want that... its sooooooo sik the perfect dh look

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moppop999 (Jan 6, 2011 at 21:48)

it's the killswitchs big sister (because the killswitch goes huge on ss and this is am)

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wavo (Jan 6, 2011 at 21:47)

Oh my.

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i-ride-on-dirt (Jan 7, 2011 at 7:45)

was it just me who noticed the 3D graphic pictures of the frame had relitively strait tubing and the picture of the actual machine had swoopy tubing?

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dom69foco (Jan 7, 2011 at 9:57)

yeah the straight lines one looks amaaaazing and i don't much the like actual photo. i reckon the photo is either small or xsmall so the bigger sizes could have straighter top tubes. i want it!!

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newusername (Jan 7, 2011 at 11:34)

the actual photo was the early prototype the CAD drawings are the new revised version they haven't actually built it yet

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RaleighVoid (Jan 7, 2011 at 12:09)

hense the name of the article

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freerydemtb (Jan 19, 2011 at 17:21)

that sandover is awesome

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dlproductionsjasper (Jan 8, 2011 at 14:55)

What's the price?

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ban90 (Jan 8, 2011 at 7:56)

http://www.zdradzila.pl/?id=m7s863

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shredrider07 (Jan 7, 2011 at 17:29)

thats so sick! but i think it needs a bit of a bigger rear shock

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komodo1 (Jan 7, 2011 at 4:13)

It looks the the All Mountain bike that you could easily tailwhip.

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Scottyteam1 (Jan 7, 2011 at 14:23)

Geezuzzz

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NorthEasternDH (Jan 7, 2011 at 3:09)

awesome

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mossyriders (Jan 7, 2011 at 11:54)

that bike looks SICK!!

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TAridingMTB (Jan 7, 2011 at 5:34)

now that is nice.

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R4ND0M (Jan 7, 2011 at 0:36)

Also there is no need for the top tube to be so low just under the seatpost... its should be lower where you need it to be lower (check the new Demo)

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bryantaber (Jan 8, 2011 at 14:42)

Angry much? Maybe this bike isn't for you . You seem to spend alot of time shitting all over people's rides based on your posting history.

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R4ND0M (Jan 16, 2011 at 12:40)

its just a shame the bike is a compromise like many others and not the full package, the best most upgradeable platform available

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Black Market Roam - Revisions

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