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Commencal Absolut SX - sneak peak!
by brule
Posted: May 26, 2009
Absolut SX
Initially designed for a slopestyle life, the Abso¬lut SX is going to show that its range of abilities will be much wider. Modern, compact, light, with a 140mm /5,5inches of travel, it will be as comfortable in a bike park as in a twisty downhill trail. Developed and build with Cédric GRACIA’s input, this bike is extremely reliable and knows how to boogy!
Initially designed for a slopestyle life, the Abso¬lut SX is going to show that its range of abilities will be much wider. Modern, compact, light, with a 140mm /5,5inches of travel, it will be as comfortable in a bike park as in a twisty downhill trail. Developed and build with Cédric GRACIA’s input, this bike is extremely reliable and knows how to boogy!
All the secrets of the Absolut SX
The Absolut SX uses numerous new technical solutions:
- Has a great size /stiffness /weight balance ratio.
- The main pivot point of the contact system is located on the bottom bracket, enabling a singlespeed build.
- Conical integrated headtube 1.5 - 1.1/8inches: ideal if you want a 160mm fork.
- New 10mm shock mount axles: Easier to remove and stronger
New rear dropouts, compatible with the Absolut SX, Absolut AL, Absolut 4X and Meta 4X. This design is stronger and provides more surface area for the hub to press against. Allows the use of 10mm, 12mm, 12mm Maxle or Singlespeed hubs. Thicker, stronger, they won’t damage the rear arm if a problem oc¬curs.
- A dust cap integrates an ISCG mount if you wish to ride with a chainguide and some gears.
- All the pivot points are mounted with sealed cartridge bearings, and nickel cromoly bolts, nicer, much more integrated to the dust caps, avoiding the use of washers.
The CONTACT SYSTEM of the ABSOLUT SX
The contact system is updated with an innova¬tive connection around the bottom bracket. This set-up offers a rear travel of 140mm /5.5in¬ches with a shock length of 200mm (shock stroke 57mm)
Few final words: A Slopestyle bike, but well adapted to Dirt Jump, 4X, A-Line Downhill, Dirt Merchant!
Available models
- 1 complete bike (14,1kg/31,08lb)
- 1 VIP Frame (3,6kg/7,93lb w/o rear shock)
Available sizes: Short, Long
Price: TBC
www.commencal.com
UK Dist: www.madison.co.uk
US Dist: www.bti-usa.com
The Absolut SX uses numerous new technical solutions:
- Has a great size /stiffness /weight balance ratio.
- The main pivot point of the contact system is located on the bottom bracket, enabling a singlespeed build.
- Conical integrated headtube 1.5 - 1.1/8inches: ideal if you want a 160mm fork.
- New 10mm shock mount axles: Easier to remove and stronger
New rear dropouts, compatible with the Absolut SX, Absolut AL, Absolut 4X and Meta 4X. This design is stronger and provides more surface area for the hub to press against. Allows the use of 10mm, 12mm, 12mm Maxle or Singlespeed hubs. Thicker, stronger, they won’t damage the rear arm if a problem oc¬curs.
- A dust cap integrates an ISCG mount if you wish to ride with a chainguide and some gears.
- All the pivot points are mounted with sealed cartridge bearings, and nickel cromoly bolts, nicer, much more integrated to the dust caps, avoiding the use of washers.
The CONTACT SYSTEM of the ABSOLUT SX
The contact system is updated with an innova¬tive connection around the bottom bracket. This set-up offers a rear travel of 140mm /5.5in¬ches with a shock length of 200mm (shock stroke 57mm)
Few final words: A Slopestyle bike, but well adapted to Dirt Jump, 4X, A-Line Downhill, Dirt Merchant!
Available models
- 1 complete bike (14,1kg/31,08lb)
- 1 VIP Frame (3,6kg/7,93lb w/o rear shock)
Available sizes: Short, Long
Price: TBC
www.commencal.com
UK Dist: www.madison.co.uk
US Dist: www.bti-usa.com
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Toopie
(May 26, 2009 at 7:57)
that is such a nice bike I WANT ONE !!
i swear to god, if this comes on sale my slinky is out the window and this beasties going in my garage! hope the frame retails under a grand, but i doubt that, but i dont care!
Johniedamn , The rear triangle is long due to the design of the suspension. It has a pivot on the BB, so there is no chain growth. This means the rear wheel follows a rather circular path opposed to maybe slightly rearward then upward. With that being said, the rear triangle is long because the rear wheel will get close to the seat post. Plus there is needed room to make reinforcement to the rear triangle in between the BB and rear wheel, allowing a super rigid rear end.
Ahhhh so now I know why my Commencal Furious has a hole in the top tube: It's so it could give birth to its child, the absolut sx!
Too bad it's BB pivot. Makes the chainstays long which in turn is kind of redundant if it's supposed to be used for jumping.
ya its pretty funny that everyone is going nuts! it has some nice features though, but its got a FATY ass chain stay of a slope style!
thing is going to be a bitch to 360 with those huge chainstays. also, you might as well get a bottle rocket cause it is identical
A bottlerocket does not have the rear end pivot around the chainstay. Commencal are altogether a much better brand than transition anyway.
Looks like a bottle-rocket(geometry) cross breed w/a Chase Soft-tail(BB Pivot).
That's that first commencial I've seen that I like!
That's that first commencial I've seen that I like!
actually its not for stability. its because if it were any shorter the tire would come to close to frame when the suspension bottoms out.
But for jumping? The extra chainstay length is simply because of a lack of clearance in this case. For slopestyle type riding, the shorter the chainstays the better, since the focus is on tricks. The shorter your chainstays are, the more maneuverable your bike is. In today's day and age, where progression of tricks is starting to slow, maneuverability is key.
I just google imaged the bottle-rocket and the double... Not much difference, so your point would be WHAT...? 
I think its more bottle rocket, as the mottle rocket joins the top tube, same as this absolut, were as the double joins at the bottom tube. Get my drift?
Hah, and there it is, it is more like the Bottle-Rocket!!! The shock's mounting point on the frame is the deciding factor!
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You guys are still debating this? Jesus it's not like either bike. OMG IT'S LIKE AN INTENSE 6.6SS NOW!!!!11
Bottlerockets are way over-rated, and I can definitely envision this getting more hype than it really needs. How long will it take for people to realize that "Slopestyle" bikes really are just all mountain frames with beefier components.. Purpose built my ass. It pivots around the bottom bracket, big whoop.
This is so true! There are so many "slopestyle" bikes out there which aren't even ss. I find the only real slopestyle bike is the Corsair Kønig.
The companies like to say they are designed for "Slopestyle", but the frame's themselves are just AM frames with little tweaks. The slopestyle movement started off with people using short travel AM frames for jumping, and then the companies decided to exploit this by renaming their current bikes. Take the Intense SS for example. Once the slopestyle movement hit, they introduced a "New" 6.6 that was very much like the old one, but it carried the name "SS".
Overall slopestyle bikes have turned into a gimmick.
Overall slopestyle bikes have turned into a gimmick.
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having the main pivot concentric to the BB is a great idea, allows for Single speed dual suspension bikes!!
when did kona start building them? cove built the hooker in 2004, and i'd be surprised if they were the first
maybe U need to watch NWD 5 to find out when Kona started building them...
first was Cowan DS,now it's called Bass...
I am talking about serial bikes,not prototypes or something...
Commencal purified it with better quality??
please,don't be silly...
first was Cowan DS,now it's called Bass...
I am talking about serial bikes,not prototypes or something...
Commencal purified it with better quality??
please,don't be silly...
i love how everyone gets right pissed at a comment ^.^ abviously this is commencal's first time building this bike. i just said that because I myself love the new commencals. kona probly has the better version because they're had it out longer. i didn't check the stats but commencal's usualy have decently light bikes and i just love lightness. thats why i was so quick at saying the first comment. give it time and commencal can probly get a good bike out of this. i'll still second the opinion another guy said about this bike having a bit too much travel for a single speed use. 5inches is alot of sag to go through pedaling. just to clarify my point a bit here
my point was simply that i doubt kona was the first to figure out that a concentric bb pivot could be made into a single speed dually, and neither is commencal. but that doesn't take away the radness of this bike, or the cowan ds. how they ride will tell much more than these pics ever will. also, for the record, nwd 5 is by far my favourite of the series i've watched it countless times
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And a full 1.5 headtube as the tapered steerer limits choices and is inconvenient if you already have a 1.5 fork.
all 3 of you are retarded, nothing like a BR
no bottle rocket has a concentric to the BB main pivot, which is why this bike is special.
no bottle rocket has a concentric to the BB main pivot, which is why this bike is special.
At first glance it's a BR. And besides the concentric pivot and the swappable dropouts it super similar to BR. It's a 5.5" slope-style bike with really similar suspension placement and from the looks of it similar geo. It might not be BR but it's close enough to call it a look alike.
if that weight will be the cause of strength and durability than I endorse that. It looks like all-round bike for "playing", not racing
w/o shock weight comparing. Do you know how many dh frames weight around that? Trek session 88, Socom, 951, Superco Silencer, Lapierre dh-230 (mine) - 3.55 weight w.o shock, v10 with carbon links (3.6kg w/o shock), antidote lifeline (3.15kg), mondraker zero proto (3.05kg)... Should I continue?
Sorry guys, the Absolut SX frame weighs 3,6 kg WITH the shock. Official info from the Commencal head office !
Plus the Absolut SX doesnt require deraileurs so it makes the bike even lighter, no cassetes or cables either.
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great, thanks Commencal, I'm now stuck between one of these and a 2010 Giant Reign X for my next bike lawls
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Nice bike for sure! Has anyone here ever heard of a G-Box!? Now thats the shit!! Best bike part in the world!!!!!!!!
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Is it normal that this bike is the clone of the Flextoy from 24Bicycles ???
Even the headset is the same (Mix with 1 1/8 and 1.5), which is called Darwin link ??
Developed and build with Cédric GRACIA’s input = maybe a quick training in Coulommiers in France (headquarter of 24 Bicycles)....
Even the headset is the same (Mix with 1 1/8 and 1.5), which is called Darwin link ??
Developed and build with Cédric GRACIA’s input = maybe a quick training in Coulommiers in France (headquarter of 24 Bicycles)....
The flextoy is a URT - unified rear triangle suspension - not a BB pivot. The bike's more like a long travel McMahone Kingdom.
I am sure they will have it like Santa Cruz to make it either single or multi-geared... One could only hope though...
wow it took them that long to come up with that frame they should have just went on transition's website and copied the dimensions.SAD they cant come up with there own design.
The nicolai helius came 10 years before the bottlerocket, so who's copying who? That's like saying the banshee scream was a copy of a Stinky which on its own was a copy of the Turner Afterburner.
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Wow, looks like they have put a great deal of effort into making this frame which is surprising considering SS bikes arnt really that big of a market.
i dont have anything against commencal they make great bikes but this basically looks like a transition double... wtf
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f*ck me listen to you lot! Will you please stop saying they "copied" other designs, theres only so many out there. It could ride completely different so stop basing ride qualities on looks.
I think the long rear end that a few people are complaining about is the only way that a concentric pivot would work without the wheel hitting the frame.
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omg thats such a sexy bike i love it the color the frame and its like a freestyle bike but with double suspension wow i f*cking love it its so nice i want one so badly
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looks a bit like a bottle rocket!.......... but i love the bearing on the bb for the swing arm, fabulous idea, i think its also on arron chases cannondale
i f*cking love that thing. i saw it at sea otter, and it is legit. i would want one, but i wouldnt have much use for it... ill get a meta 4x instead
are you kidding? why are you asking stupid questions. its going to be awful on rough trails. its made for smooth slopestyle/freeride. its suspention system is made to take hits, and be ss compatable. if you want a bike to stick it through the rough stuff, your looking at the wrong bike
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holy shit!! that is so f*cking nice!! i would buy one but its probably like 2000, damn it! i wish ihad money!!
everyone wants one cause its new and not available. it makes no difference what bike you ride its how you ride it. i have seen kids on 5 year old bikes that have more style and skill then some kid on a brand new frame. still, the bike looks sweet!
that's the worst statement ever. what kind of bike you ride and the quality has a shitload to do with how you ride. I'll refer you to that show on Discovery that slows things down and analyzes them. They had Mike Stiedley and Jeff Lenosky on there and they looked at what they did and how their bikes handled their trials style riding. Then they had them switch to walmart brand bikes and both of them struggled a great deal.
With this bike, the fact that is that it has a long chainstay which is not good for a nimble, flickable bike. which is needed for dj and slopestyle. the bike is pretty, but not well designed for the specific riding they say it is for.
With this bike, the fact that is that it has a long chainstay which is not good for a nimble, flickable bike. which is needed for dj and slopestyle. the bike is pretty, but not well designed for the specific riding they say it is for.
now commy on bb pivot??? not new (see Cove Hooker 04/05 model)but damn!woo hoo! work superbly if build singlespeed.the end stiffness is crazy.i know cause i owned a hooker. :p
iCloudz (14 hours ago) (Below Threshold) show comment
shitting hell, looks better than lucy pinder!
What!!! Wash your mouth out!
mind you, I bet they both ride as good as the other.
Dave
shitting hell, looks better than lucy pinder!
What!!! Wash your mouth out!
mind you, I bet they both ride as good as the other.
Dave
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but the bottlerocket has a shitty hanger on it.... the rear drop outs on this are a piece of art....
its like the new school BR if anything... looks great.. i'll take two
its like the new school BR if anything... looks great.. i'll take two
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Great suspension idea. We will have to see how it survives in the long run, serviceability, as well as the response curve. Also, long rear triangle... hmm
the chainstays aren't actually too long - its an optical illusion because the stays are welded to the bottom bracket mounted pivot, which makes the overall length look longer to the untrained eye
if the frame used stays welded to a pivot mounted behind the bottom bracket, they would not look so long to the eye!
the ONLY advantage of bottom bracket mounted pivots is no chain stretch, to allow true single speed setup without a chain tensioner (which is vulnerable to damage)
the disadvantages of bottom bracket mounted pivots are the worst pedalling squat under power, terrible and brake jack (not brake jack)
for a bike with shorter travel (i.e. 100mm, 4") like the Kona Cowan / Bass this is not such a problem as its going to be run for dirt jumps or slopestyle with the shock pumped up hard to minimise suspension movement...
for a bike like this new Commencal with 5.5" travel there is no point in having that much travel and then pumping up the shock hard to minimise movement from brake and pedal forces acting through the suspension
5.5" seems like a weird choice for a singlespeed "slopestyle" bike when you look at the Transition Bottlerocket and Banshee Wildcard which will give better pedalling and braking performance than the Commie
regarding their "build quality", my riding buddy works for one of the UK's biggest bike store chains (35 shops) and went to the company HQ a few weeks back for training, and spied a ROOM full of broken Commencal frames waiting on "warranty" (i.e. Commencal to provide replacement front triangles)
if the frame used stays welded to a pivot mounted behind the bottom bracket, they would not look so long to the eye!
the ONLY advantage of bottom bracket mounted pivots is no chain stretch, to allow true single speed setup without a chain tensioner (which is vulnerable to damage)
the disadvantages of bottom bracket mounted pivots are the worst pedalling squat under power, terrible and brake jack (not brake jack)
for a bike with shorter travel (i.e. 100mm, 4") like the Kona Cowan / Bass this is not such a problem as its going to be run for dirt jumps or slopestyle with the shock pumped up hard to minimise suspension movement...
for a bike like this new Commencal with 5.5" travel there is no point in having that much travel and then pumping up the shock hard to minimise movement from brake and pedal forces acting through the suspension
5.5" seems like a weird choice for a singlespeed "slopestyle" bike when you look at the Transition Bottlerocket and Banshee Wildcard which will give better pedalling and braking performance than the Commie
regarding their "build quality", my riding buddy works for one of the UK's biggest bike store chains (35 shops) and went to the company HQ a few weeks back for training, and spied a ROOM full of broken Commencal frames waiting on "warranty" (i.e. Commencal to provide replacement front triangles)
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Instand love on my side.
This is better than sex.
Sinds i bought my Furious CG '09 I'm totally in love with the Commencal brand.
And bottlerocket.......pffffff. Don't make me laugh. It's no match wenn we talk about quality and what bikes can handle wenn raped and tortured, like i do! My Furious for example is absolute FOOL & BOMBPROOF!!!
This is better than sex.
Sinds i bought my Furious CG '09 I'm totally in love with the Commencal brand.
And bottlerocket.......pffffff. Don't make me laugh. It's no match wenn we talk about quality and what bikes can handle wenn raped and tortured, like i do! My Furious for example is absolute FOOL & BOMBPROOF!!!
Brains75 - I know the feeling a switch from Transition to 09 Commencal and the difference in handling is enormous, but that was Preston FR not Bottle Rocket..
a switch from Transition to 09 Commencal and the difference in handling is enormous, but that was Preston FR not Bottle Rocket..
soon hopefuly i cant wait till it comes out so i can get mine i just went out and bought all the oarts for it already. just waiting for the frame
about 3 grand lol there not the same parts though i made up my own list and perfected it to my likeings on thoes boring dayd at the work place
and if you got about $1100 and want an awesome fork for it get the totem solo air and get your lbs to lower it to 140mm its going to go so well on this frame
I was thinking about a Stinky Deluxe, but after seeing this beauty I will hold my horses for a bit longer
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